The Navy Yard shuttle ended earlier this year. Perrone said his team found that there were some intersections with older traffic lights that even human drivers had trouble seeing, so they required human drivers to take over in those spots until the traffic lights got upgraded.
He said that while he applauds Waymo and any other company working on fully self-driving cars, there are still some tough problems to solve. For instance, what should a car do if there is a passenger inside a car caught up in a riot? This summer, in Los Angeles, protesters set some Waymo cars on fire, though there were no passengers inside at the time.
Waymo could also face resistance from unions representing human drivers. When the company announced the tests in Philadelphia this summer, the president of the Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO, which represents transit workers in New York and Philadelphia, said “Waymo and other Big Tech companies should not be permitted to launch driverless vehicles with their unproven tech in some of the busiest cities in the world.” The union president also pushed back when Perrone Robotics started the Navy Yard shuttle last year.
Until Waymo gets its permit to have its fleet go fully driverless, riders won’t be able to hail one of their cars just yet. But they might see them on Philadelphia streets for more human-supervised test runs.
To get a permit to have fully driverless cars in Pennsylvania, Waymo will have to meet a list of requirements from PennDOT, such as showing that they have a cybersecurity plan, that cars store operational data, and that cars can identify and yield to emergency vehicles. However, if and when Waymo starts that process, it would be the first time that a company has applied for permission to have fully automated cars in Pennsylvania, so there’ll likely be some back and forth, said Derrick Herrmann, chief of transformational technology at PennDOT.
He said that compared to other states that already have self-driving cars on the road, Pennsylvania has “more stringent requirements.” He added that state officials “really take a balanced look at safety while also making sure we’re not too disproving of expansion of [self-driving cars] into the state.”
He added that PennDOT has been in touch with states like California, Arizona and Texas, where Waymo already has self-driving cars offering rides, to hear about their experiences. He said the department learned that they have to be proactive about letting self-driving car companies know about any road closures, work zones and big events like games or protests where there could be a lot of traffic.
PennDOT has also learned from research on self-driving cars, such as the Navy Yard shuttle in Philadelphia, as well as research with Carnegie Mellon University and Penn State University on how self-driving cars handle work zones.
Based on that research, Herrmann said PennDOT is looking into whether they need to change the way they design roads. For example, he said that in Pennsylvania, some highway exit lines don’t extend all the way from the start to the end of an exit lane, so the department is wondering if that needs to change to better accommodate self-driving cars.
Overall, he said Waymo’s commitment to staying in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh is an exciting moment.
“Industry is now at this turning point where they are really moving from testing to trying to do actual operations,” he said. “It’s really kind of what’s next to come in the future of transportation.”
